Jen from Adaptive Sports Northwest shares insights on creating successful and inclusive adaptive sports programs for disabled adults, the comprehensive offerings, innovative funding, and community-building efforts.
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Welcome to Episode #11 of the Sold Out podcast where we interview league organizers across the country for tips and tricks on how to sell out leagues.
In this episode, we feature a compelling conversation with Jen from Adaptive Sports Northwest. Jen shares valuable insights into the operations, challenges, and successes of running adaptive sports programs for individuals with physical and visual disabilities in the Portland and Vancouver areas. Covering everything from the variety of sports offered, the logistics of equipment and facilities, to the crucial role of funding and volunteers, this conversation provides a comprehensive look at the world of adaptive sports. Whether you're interested in starting a similar program, seeking to support adaptive sports, or simply curious about how these unique leagues operate, this discussion offers practical advice and inspiring stories from a dedicated leader in the field. Tune in to learn how Adaptive Sports Northwest is making a difference and fostering inclusivity through sports.
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Lance (00:00.842)
All right, today we have Jen from Adaptive Sports Northwest. Thanks for being here, Jen. So let's just start with some of the basics about adaptive sports, where you guys located, what kind of leagues or programs are you running, how many teams, players do you have sort of participating? And obviously there's some unique things about your league. So yeah, just give the background, I
Jen Armbruster (00:06.309)
Bye.
Jen Armbruster (00:20.485)
For sure. So at Adaptive Sports Northwest, we're mostly located in the Portland, Vancouver, Washington area.
and we serve folks with physical or visual disabilities. And so we have a couple different leagues slash programs going on, everything from team sports, which are basketball, which are rugby, goalball, power soccer, where we kind of have these within this region area. And then we have some ongoing kind of programming more weekly leagues where folks get together for adaptive pickleball or adaptive cycling, archery, things like that, that are a little bit more on the recreational league level.
Lance (00:54.312)
Awesome. And how many people are you, I guess, each week or
Jen Armbruster (00:57.983)
Service, yeah, as far as folks, you know, in the summertime, we have a couple different ones going on, falls are bigger thing, but at any given time, we're probably servicing in between 200 and 300 folks with physical or visual disabilities.
Lance (01:11.648)
Got it. OK. And so then the format, mentioned a bunch of things, including archery and stuff that's super cool. I guess what's the range of, so some of that is like people can come kind of weekly and you've got them sort of set up for a match or game or whatever. And then you mentioned before we kind of started this that there was some stuff where people travel. So what's the varying sort of formats of the things that you offer?
Jen Armbruster (01:15.321)
Yeah. Yeah.
Jen Armbruster (01:22.917)
Yes.
Jen Armbruster (01:30.809)
Yeah. Yeah.
Yes, so we can offer like the recreation all the way to the competitive, right? So we might have weekly practices slash leagues type thing where you could play drop in games, things like that for wheelchair basketball or wheelchair rugby. But like I said, power soccer, cycling, those different things. We provide equipment as well. So folks might not have equipment utilized like a sports chair or hand cycle, things like that. So we provide that opportunity for folks to try those different things out before they go and buy. Right. It's a little bit different buying a hundred dollar pair of shoes versus a five thousand dollar sports chair. So.
We provide some of those things to kind of the league and on the competitive side, like I said, within the region, a lot of our teams will travel up to the Seattle, Tacoma area, over to Spokane, down maybe down into California a little bit to be able to play within this region and really get that competition piece.
Lance (02:03.434)
Yes.
Lance (02:19.296)
Cool. Okay. So it sounds like you offer like a lot of, especially for how many people are involved, there's a lot that you're doing. How do you determine what you're providing? Is it just if somebody wants to do something or is it you guys kind of tried a bunch of things or how do you determine like what programs to offer?
Jen Armbruster (02:25.253)
Yes.
Jen Armbruster (02:33.655)
Yeah, so our programs have been set. Part of it is our membership, right? And we're talking to folks what they want if they're looking for a new sport and the idea pickleball is their first time for this year. Cause that's the all the rage, right? It's pickleball league. So that that came on board this this year for us. That was our newest one. Wheelchair basketball is our oldest for sure standing events track and field we've had for quite some time as well. So yeah, that's just sort of where we I guess find our niche. I guess is where folks are wanting it, but I
Lance (02:43.178)
Yeah.
Jen Armbruster (03:03.571)
pretty dialed in right now with our community and what they want, what they need, especially from the recreational side all the way to that competitive side because the competitive opportunities are a little bit more limited when you're talking with folks with disabilities. So we've kind of narrowed in on those Paralympic sports where those competitive opportunities you know align within the region but also nationally.
Lance (03:22.936)
Cool. And do you own a facility, or where is all this stuff stored, and how do you logistically make this happen with these $5 ,000?
Jen Armbruster (03:27.863)
Yeah, so that's... Yeah.
Exactly. So we have, we technically have an office and we have a storage unit that does a lot of our equipment. And we do trailers, trucks, you know, to that and volunteers as well to get things, equipment out there, get folks situated, coaching, all the types of things. But we use about 13 different partner facilities around the, around the Portland Vancouver area.
Lance (03:58.528)
Wow, okay. And so...
Jen Armbruster (03:59.405)
So sit volleyball, basketball, yeah.
Lance (04:03.516)
Yeah, and how do those arrangements work? Did you just find, you know, just like tactically if somebody's kind of, you know, wanting to do something in this kind of space, like how do you find?
Jen Armbruster (04:08.889)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
So it is our community partner. So it is going to like our parks and rec, especially, you know, we're in that niche of serving folks with disabilities, which a lot of leagues, as you said, don't have, right? Your parks and rec department might have a basketball league or a soccer league. So we provide and partner up with those guys, you know, in those areas to go, hey, let's have wheelchair basketball at your facility or pickleball or those type things where we're bringing in the community and having everybody participate together and running it sort of, like you said, kind of that league and that opportunity.
Lance (04:42.842)
okay. Yeah. So I'm curious more to learn about the logistics of like financing this thing and how it works and who's paying for that. But I guess it also might be good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Jen Armbruster (04:45.616)
Yeah.
Yeah, so it's a lot through, yeah, because we're a nonprofit. So it's a lot through grants, through fundraising and things like that. and trying to get those those deals with different partner organizations to try to get reduced and or free facility things. But the equipment, like you said, is pretty expensive. So we do a lot with grants for sure.
Lance (05:09.546)
Yep. Okay, and are the players ever paying for anything? Are you guys able to cover all the costs?
Jen Armbruster (05:15.897)
we are not able to cover all the costs. We try, right? mean, part of that is on the fundraising. If we get the grants that cover it, then absolutely. For drop -in and recreational though, there is
Lance (05:17.706)
Yeah.
Jen Armbruster (05:26.789)
there is no cost for those type things. Because again, we have the equipment. So we cover the facility costs and all that type of stuff. Where maybe money comes into play is the travel piece. If we're going to competitions, and again, we try to offset that. We do have a membership fee, but again, that can be waived. And so they can offset that by volunteering back through our organization and things like that. So there is a cost from the competitive side sometimes for travel. But again, we try to offset that as much as we can.
Lance (05:37.514)
We are.
Lance (05:56.714)
Got it, okay. Like, I'm curious, what's the origin story of Adaptive Sport? Were you involved from like the beginning or how long has it been around or that kind of
Jen Armbruster (06:01.467)
Sure.
I was not been around for 43 years, so it started as a wheelchair games back in the day and games for the physically disabled. So we went through some name changes, Oregon Disability Sports, and now we've been adapted sports Northwest, which kind of more encompasses what we do because we are not just in the Oregon area. We touch into into Washington and for sure collaborate with other organizations around the region just to provide those opportunities.
Lance (06:32.992)
Okay, so 43 years and when did you join?
Jen Armbruster (06:34.971)
Yes, I, gosh, I came here in 2010 as an athlete and a coach and volunteered with the organization. I was on their board for a while and I took over executive director duties about two years ago. So.
Lance (06:51.69)
Wow, okay. Well, how's it been this role for the last couple years?
Jen Armbruster (06:56.123)
It's been great. It's been fun. It's been exciting to get into, like you said, the community partnerships and getting in with some of our partners here locally, Adidas and Toyota and different ones.
promoting disability sports in general, right? It's just been something that folks don't know a lot about, but more people know what the Paralympics are and they know about para sports. So you're seeing that and our big thing is inclusion, right? And getting folks into having those leagues grow and just being part of, you know, our power soccer team practicing at a futsal place and making sure, you know, basketball's in with the basketball. So it's been great.
Lance (07:11.36)
Okay.
Lance (07:34.964)
Yeah. What are some of the biggest challenges of your role, guess, now and the things you're just trying to accomplish sort of day to day, week to week, month to month?
Jen Armbruster (07:43.931)
I think what it always is a nonprofit, right, is just the funding source, making sure we have a consistent funding source coming in to be able to provide that. Again, like I said, that equipment.
Lance (07:49.837)
Yep.
Jen Armbruster (07:57.017)
you know, for especially for youth and or adults, right? Trying something for the first time that might be newly injured. You already have costs associated with maybe medical with different things and just your daily living things that might have changed. And now you're adding, well, I want to get back into my sports and recreation for my holistic approach to life. And like I said, a five thousand dollar sports chair and another six thousand dollars for a hand cycle and another, you know, ten thousand dollars for a track chair. Like it just keeps adding and adding if you really want to participate.
Lance (08:15.21)
Mm -hmm.
Jen Armbruster (08:26.979)
is a lot different than, like I said, a couple different pair of shoes. And so I think that's what our biggest thing is, making sure we have the equipment and new equipment and can maintain our equipment for folks to be able to try to get back into recreational and both competitive.
Lance (08:42.388)
Okay, got it. So if you were giving advice to somebody who wanted to start something similar or run something similar in like Florida or Texas or somewhere else, how would you advise that they find partners to help with this kind of tricky financing
Jen Armbruster (08:45.679)
Yep. Yep. Yep.
Jen Armbruster (08:56.045)
Yeah, I think it's finding your local kids community community base. So rather that's facility costs and getting there. But then the grants in your local community, I think there's a lot of folks, a lot of grants out there that want to get everybody inclusive, right? Everybody into the game, so to speak. And so I think it's finding those local organizations and then the regional grants to help fund and offset those costs.
Lance (09:10.794)
Mm -hmm.
Lance (09:21.182)
Okay, are there like websites you recommend or places to find these grants or is it just something you can Google or how do you? Okay.
Jen Armbruster (09:26.779)
We just Google it. Move United is one of the bigger ones from, especially from a, they always do a big 30 or $50 ,000 equipment grant. So that's huge for starting up a new sport or if you were starting up any kind of a new folks with disabilities type thing from an equipment standpoint, which again is the most costly piece. So.
Lance (09:48.382)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. And then do you get individual support? Like if somebody was listening to this and wanted to support you, they go to your website and do you
Jen Armbruster (09:55.151)
Yes, absolutely. Yeah, we do donations for sure and funding campaigns on adaptive sports nw .org, which is our website and folks can donate in general. So it just goes to our general fund and gets sorted out throughout our different programs. But then all of our teams and things like that as well do specific fundraising as well. If you're like, nope, really want to support wheelchair basketball or really want to support goalball or power soccer, they can do that as well.
But yeah, our general one just goes through, like I said, it's maintaining. We are very small nonprofit as far as the staff goes and absolutely rely on individual funding as well as volunteers.
Lance (10:34.269)
Okay, well, let's talk about the that part then the staffing part. How does that how does that work? you is it? I'm sure mostly Volunteers are there any full -time staff or how does the staffing piece
Jen Armbruster (10:36.815)
Yep. Absolutely.
Jen Armbruster (10:45.057)
Yeah, so we have myself and our program manager are the only two full -time staff that we have on board. And then we have a couple.
0 .1s, 0 .2s that help maintain kind of our equipment inventory and do some of that. And the rest of it is all volunteer based. So we could not do without our volunteers, know, from data entry to maintaining our database, to helping with fundraising, our board's pretty active as well, obviously with that and just, you know, the development piece and that strategic plan of how do we move forward and make sure that, you know, we are set to go, you know, for the next five, 10, 20 years. So, yeah.
Lance (11:11.328)
Thank you.
Lance (11:22.484)
Yeah, well what are some of the, I guess, challenges or kind of getting to advice again if somebody wanted to do something like this. How do you get a good volunteer staff group together? How do you make sure that they're performing what they need to do really well? That kind of
Jen Armbruster (11:25.669)
Mm -hmm. Yep.
Jen Armbruster (11:38.223)
Yeah, so for our specifically, mean, we'll take all volunteers because we can train you, right? We can help you understand the disability part. If you understand the sport of basketball or soccer or golf, we can teach you the disability piece, right? Or how to transfer, how equipment works, right? Because that's a different piece. So we have an extensive volunteer training program, but we also recruit a lot of our volunteers through, I mean, we send it out to our Parks and Rec department, a lot of our colleges. We get a lot of
that want to do their internships with us through exercise science or adaptive phys ed or therapeutic rec or you know and things like that or maybe just want to be interested in maybe pursuing an OT or PT background. So we use a lot of the colleges to recruit our volunteers as well as like local swim teams for looking for coaches or going to the soccer right like soccer leagues that are standing going hey we're looking for we need coaches we need volunteers basketball leagues so we hit all of those up
for I guess volunteers, as well as you know children's hospitals, our Rehab Institute of Oregon. That's where we recruit again also some of our athletes right that might be going through some rehab things. So that's where we recruit and we have a lot of PTs or OTs that come in and help volunteer as well.
Lance (12:58.24)
Got it, okay, yeah, that makes sense.
Jen Armbruster (12:59.885)
and bike mechanics. Love them. So good. Yeah. Yeah.
Lance (13:02.494)
Yeah, OK. is this? No, it's good. What was my question here? So is there like the sort of the training piece? You go and you find it might be somebody on college campus, and then you just have like a training time once a month or something, you're like, come on out and we'll just train you? Are there like certifications needed for any of this kind of thing?
Jen Armbruster (13:16.633)
Yeah. Yep.
Jen Armbruster (13:25.733)
there's not necessarily certifications. So depending on what their interest is in volunteering, we might have, like we did two volunteer specific sessions prior to our cycling, right? To make sure everybody knew how to transfer safely, how they knew how to, how the bikes worked, right? Cause each adaptive bikes may be a little bit different where the brakes are and how you're changing and adjusting and things like that. So some of it's very sport specific and other ones are more just a general, you know, even like
disability etiquette 101, right? And what you ask, what you don't ask, how you ask, and those type things. All the way to like, hey, I know basketball really well, cool. Let's do some training specifically with you to understand the couple rule adjustments for wheelchair basketball. So it's pretty personalized depending on the sport or what they're, the program or the league that they're kind of interested in.
Lance (14:17.47)
Yeah, and then are there referees or umpires or any officials that you also hire and work with sometimes?
Jen Armbruster (14:23.684)
They are. So when we host our tournaments or clinics and things like that, we bring referees that are certified for, you know, if it's wheelchair basketball or if it's goal ball or different things. And we also try to train our own officials here locally. So we have that support in our, you know, so a lot of our volunteers might have came in as a volunteer and were like, hey, why don't you go ahead and go get certified in officiating X, Y or Z? Because we're always a big fan too. If you understand the sport from an official standpoint, you understand the coaching standpoint as well. So we try
help foster that as well.
Lance (14:55.68)
How do people get certified in something like
Jen Armbruster (14:59.151)
depends on just the different ones, right? So like wheelchair basketballs through the National Wheelchair Basketball Association, goalball officials might be through United States Association of White Athletes. So there's different pathways. And so we help them navigate that piece of it, depending on what sport they're looking at.
Lance (15:14.496)
Got it. do they come in also as volunteers or are they paid for these tournaments and things or how does that?
Jen Armbruster (15:19.503)
For tournaments,
Lance (15:23.616)
So that's kind of the staffing piece, and then we've kind of talked about the facility piece. What about the players? Like, how do you find these players? Is this something where you get a lot of word of mouth, I imagine, but are there specific tactics to let people know that they can come and play with you guys?
Jen Armbruster (15:26.767)
Yep.
Jen Armbruster (15:35.984)
Yeah.
Jen Armbruster (15:40.453)
Yeah, for sure. mean, we do a lot, you know, hopefully the media thing.
We have a nice Toyota Tundra that's got a billboard that we get to drive around town. So that helps as well. But I think part of it is hitting like the rehab institutes or the hospitals and things like that for maybe some newly injured folks. It's working for the commission for the blind to maybe recruit visually impaired and blind, going to the college campuses and going, hey, disabled student services, this is what we have to offer. And just getting the word out that way. So we try to hit that, like I different community partners. We hit the parks and recs, you know, things too, hit the flyers
Lance (15:49.82)
I don't know.
Jen Armbruster (16:14.653)
just to let folks know that we're here. we just try to get that. School districts are a huge one as well for us from the youth standpoint, but for the adults, a lot of it is, know, it's that, it's hitting maybe support groups. So if you know of like, there's an MS support group, then let's go ahead and let them know that X, Y, and Z is coming up, you know, or yeah, so. Yes.
Lance (16:34.624)
Got it, okay. Yeah, and so you mentioned flyers. So you're actually going out physically to these places handing out flyers like regularly?
Jen Armbruster (16:41.915)
Nowadays, we usually electronically send the flyers to our contacts and they post them because that's the digital world that we live in now. But yeah, but it is getting like in front of those folks too, right? Or getting in front of clinicians in our case, right? To go, hey, let's get in front of OTs and PTs to know that we're here. That's the other reason, you know, we have a big OT -PT college out here. So we go in and talk to those students all the time because they're going to be out working with folks with disabilities.
Lance (16:46.93)
Okay. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
Lance (17:02.88)
Yeah.
Jen Armbruster (17:11.525)
So, yep.
Lance (17:11.776)
Okay, sweet. Okay, another question. So you had mentioned before some data entry type stuff. So I guess I'm curious about technology. Obviously we're a technology company and we think about that stuff. You've got, you know, a lot of different kinds of things going on. So how do you think about technology and how has that changed at all over the last five, 10 years?
Jen Armbruster (17:18.063)
Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
Jen Armbruster (17:32.611)
It has changed. I would say it's became a little more accessible in some spaces. I think I'm in a unique position, so I'm totally blind myself, so I use screen reading software. I would say a lot of times in the sports realm and other things, a lot of that stuff is not accessible.
and that folks don't think about that piece of it from a screen reading software. So that part's been a little bit on the frustrating side, you know, for me as an ED with that piece of it and that part of it. So I think there's leaps and bounds that have been made in the tech world, but I think we're still lacking on some accessibility pieces for sure. Yeah.
Lance (17:52.052)
Yeah. Yep.
Lance (18:12.106)
Got it. OK. So what do you guys typically use then? Is it sort of, I guess, Google Sheets or? Yeah. Not Google Sheets? Excel.
Jen Armbruster (18:19.675)
not Google Sheets. So Excel, yeah. we're much more of Excel. Yeah, exactly. We're definitely more of the Microsoft suite, again, from the screen reading stuff where Google's came a long way for sure. But Sheets isn't quite there yet with screen readers and stuff. we use a lot. So we use a SharePoint type So we use Microsoft products just for ease for me. And then our database, unfortunately, like Little Greenlight and things like that aren't fully accessible. They're getting better, but we're
there yet. But from a communication standpoint for our staff and our key volunteers and things like that, our board, we use 365.
Lance (18:58.538)
OK, got it. think I have maybe a couple more questions. So one is, how do you think about, I guess, delivering a really good experience for the players? Are there certain strategies or things that you do to just make sure that? We had kind of talked before this call as well about competition or other programs that offer services and how you might sort of distinguish what you do versus them. how does that work?
Jen Armbruster (19:02.138)
Mm -hmm.
Jen Armbruster (19:13.776)
Yep.
Yeah. Yep.
Jen Armbruster (19:22.063)
Yeah.
I think it's making that contact, right? Making it a personal contact that everybody feels welcome and included, no matter what that level is. Because again, you're talking about a lower incident when you're working with folks with disabilities. And so you have that range from recreational competitive. So I think it's meeting them where they're at. Maybe it's their first time trying a sport or recreational, maybe if they acquire their disability. Or maybe they've had the disability their whole life, but sports and rec wasn't something that was accessible to them prior to. They hadn't heard about it, wasn't something that, you know, they did in
And so I think it's meeting folks where they're at, making sure they feel included. And then also a lot of the mentoring, right? And getting other players and folks to interact as well. And watching that growth piece, I think is huge. Because it's one thing for myself or a program or one of our volunteers to help you with that piece of it. But that peer to peer piece is, I mean, there's no value you can put on that. It's pretty invaluable.
Lance (20:21.47)
Yeah, so how I guess how is that peer -to -peer piece? Do you guys do? Do you see a lot of community really get built pretty quickly between players and do you do foster that beyond just sports with other types of social events or anything?
Jen Armbruster (20:29.039)
Yes.
Jen Armbruster (20:34.701)
Absolutely. I think that's our big thing. think that's it's interesting. You know, like I said, right now we're in the middle of our adaptive cycling series and everybody bikes and they do that. But you see so much more of the community piece happening before and after. Like we go from six to eight, but people are there at five, you know, hanging out and talking. And then it's kind of like closing down the bar. We're like, you got to go, you know, like we've picked up all the bikes and which is great to have. It's a great thing to see. But we're like, we got to move on though. We got to get you out of the gate, you know.
spend things. yeah, so I think it's fostering that and watching them do that themselves as well, not even always by us, but them getting in their own groups, right, through the group meeting going, hey, let's meet up for this or let's do a team dinner here or let's, you know, we just got done with practice, so let's go out to eat or let's go to this park or let's go push some more. So I think you see it organically happen as well.
Lance (21:28.884)
Got it. And are there like official social events that you guys will do any time throughout the year or after a season or any of that?
Jen Armbruster (21:35.289)
We do, yeah. We usually do it for sure after kind of a season's over and things like that. We'll do a kind of a year -end type thing, or if it's the last kind of practice or game type thing, we will do a thing for the team or the league, or like the pickleball league. We're doing that. We're ending it with a little tournament, so we'll have that piece of it. So we try to make it a social thing as well for them. Yeah.
Lance (21:57.56)
Okay, cool. And I guess, yeah, maybe my last question here is sort of how do you see, I guess, this evolving for you guys? Are there things that you're thinking about for the next kind of three to five years or ambitions that you have in terms of kind of what's next and what you'd like to
Jen Armbruster (22:01.488)
Mm
Jen Armbruster (22:14.177)
Yeah, I mean, think we have ambition for sure. I think it's going to be a little bit longer than three to five. But, you know, we talk about leagues, like, ultimately, we would love to be able to see the leagues happening locally and that you don't have to have a disability to compete.
We don't care, right? I can put you in a sports chair. Just wheelchair basketball is a sport. Goalball is just a sport. We have blindfolds. Like trying to get more just folks in general participating in the sport itself so we can create a league, right? And you can have an ongoing, you know, and you're not having to travel up to Seattle, you know, to play on the weekend and things like that, that we can go, yeah, let's have games, you know, during the week on a Wednesday night, that type thing. So I think that's part of our mission is just getting folks
Lance (22:40.178)
Mmm.
Jen Armbruster (22:58.023)
in general just to come try wheelchair rugby, try wheelchair basketball, get involved and go from there. So yeah, I think down the road that would be awesome.
Lance (23:06.666)
Cool. Do you have thoughts on how to make that happen or plans?
Jen Armbruster (23:13.031)
I think that's it. It's bringing in quote, able bodies into it, right? And making sure that as much as we want to be included, then we also have to be included, right? We have to be inclusive and let folks without disabilities into our sport as well.
you know, from a local level. understand competitive wise, you might have to have a disability, right? Like I get that piece of it, you know, to go to the Paralympics and those things. But from a league standpoint, why can't we just have a league? You know, we can blindfold you for goal ball. We have the sports chair. So you might not have your own sports chair, but on Wednesday nights you can come play in ours, you know, type thing. So ultimately, I think that's, that's for us is like, you have to invite other folks in as well for us to also then be included.
Lance (23:39.402)
Yeah. Sure.
Lance (23:46.836)
Yeah.
Jen Armbruster (23:56.007)
mean, what would be awesome, right, is if you never had to have organizations that had to specialize. It would be great if leagues were open. Yep. Yep. For sure.
Lance (24:02.036)
Yeah, Makes sense. OK. Cool. Well, is there anything else you want to kind of, I guess, share before we wrap
Jen Armbruster (24:10.521)
No, I mean, I think it's great. mean, I think it's if you can even find that in our leagues. I when I worked at Portland State, we did that. We had our you know, we had our basketball league happening, but then we had wheelchair basketball happening as well. And so able body, you know, college students played it as well and things like that. So I think there's a way to do that with your existing leagues to just be able to add a game here or there. So I think it. Yep. So.
Lance (24:33.37)
Mmm. Love it. All right. Sweet. OK. I think that's all I got. Thanks for your time. I appreciate it,
Jen Armbruster (24:40.143)
Thank you. Thanks Lance. Take care.
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